Still not worried

Sometimes it only takes one comment on my blog to bring out an outpouring of scientific insight. Take the thread below; in response to critic AS the other commenters really put his so-called paleoclimate perspective in its place. I bet AS feels a fool.

Its certainly worth taking the time to read some of the knowledge this blog unearths and so I've highlighted some of the best comments in red after the jump.

AS
Wed 20 Apr 11 (08:05am)
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Thank you for helping delay any meaningful action. Far better for the probelem to be infinetly larger and possibly insurmountable at some point in the future - out of sight , out of mind.
We’ve almost guaranteed a 2 degree post-industrial temperature rise. The last time this happened - over 2 million years ago - sea level was eventually 25 metres higher. 250 million people and a trillion dollars of infrastructure are within just a 1 metre rise.
The problem is that the temperature numbers seems so small that people don’t grasp their significance.
During the last mini-ice age the temperature of the globe averaged over the seasons was only 1/2 of a degree lower. And when the planet was 5 degree cooler there was a kilometre thick ice sheet over New York.
If we aren’t able to contain our present temperature rise - which we are measurably the cause of - to within 2 degrees then any number of positive feedbacks kick in and we may well be on the way to a 4 degrees or more and the limits for human adaptation are likely to be exceeded in many parts of the world.
Bye bye humans… thanks Mr Clot.

curious replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (10:30am)

The last time this happened - over 2 million years ago - sea level was eventually 25 metres higher. 250 million people and a trillion dollars of infrastructure are within just a 1 metre rise.

So you are saying AGW is not the cause??

Or dont you realise the over 2 million years ago people were not generating much CO2?

Nice own goal idiot.

Bjorn Louzer replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (10:31am)

AS replied to Art Vanderlay
Wed 20 Apr 11 (08:05am)
We’ve almost guaranteed a 2 degree post-industrial temperature rise. The last time this happened - over 2 million years ago - sea level was eventually 25 metres higher. 250 million people and a trillion dollars of infrastructure are within just a 1 metre rise.

. Don’t worry AS, if the water levels rise too much we can all turn on our taps full blast and lower it for you. Think of all the excess water rates local government water boards will make. 
There will be so much money coming in - we wont need a Carbon Tax..

RightWingNuclearArmedDeathRabbit replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (10:33am)

AS does this mean you have finally conceeded that your scam is no longer working?

Roman replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (10:38am)

You are a fool AS.  Thanks for putting your foot in it.... again. 

“..almost guaranteed a 2 degree post-industrial temperature rise. The last time this happened - over 2 million years ago… “

How many coal fired power plants contributed to that rise over 2 million years ago?  And five degrees cooler?  Who caused that, Mr Brain Surgeon.  Seems like the average temperature varies, with our without the existence of industrialised civilisations.

Bojeeba replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (10:52am)

Exactly AS - a 2 degree temperature rise over 2 million years ago, the last mini ice age..... cant blame humans for that can you?? and would a carbon tax have stopped those events and the countless others since day dot?? What happened to the settled warmist science of only 2 years ago when QLD and most of Australia would be in a permanent draught - “quick, panic” says the government, “the science is settled lets spend billions of $” on De-Sal plants (that dont work) lets remove people from their homes to build expensive dams (that wont work) lets charge everyone for water use (water tax) so they use less - because we will have no water at all very soon, lets make people drink purified sewerage, lets have a water commision to tell us how to live in a waterless scociety.... oh.... didnt need to waste all that money.... oh… the scince wasnt settled and mother nature went on and did her own thing and didnt listen to the computer modelling.....  But we are even more certain now that the computer modelling is right this time - a tax is the only solution! LOL!

The earth will continue to heat and cool over the centuries and a tax grab from a scocialist labor/green government will not change that one little tiny bit. Just wont happen you goose. We can clean up our environment and limit emmissions as we are currently doing without the ‘incentive’ of a carbon tax.  

marky replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (10:55am)

AS- “possibly insurmountable” LOL!

I thought Gore said that it was practically too late 5 years ago!

You warmist scaremongers keep shifting the DEADline to suit your social-control agenda!

Look AS, oceans and volcanoes produce c.96% of Co2. EVERY SCIENTIST AGREES ON THIS>

Man produces c.4% - the natural annual variations mean ANY Co2 reduction-action by man is insignificant.

Cutting human Co2 emissions by 25% (impossible) translates to a cut of <1% to the world’s Co2, which is INSIGNIFICANT.

And that makes you and your rants insignificant. And that’s your biggest fear, isn’t it?!?!?

J.Hansford replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:01am)

AS.......Flannery!? Is that you?

AS replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:07am)

Ancient Mariner - as hard as it may be for you to distinguish, the 25 metre rise in sea levels during the Pliocene was over the course of many centuries - not today as you look out from your back deck.

Your comment, “It will be long after you and I am both gone and we won’t know or care about it” is outrageously selfish and self interested.

Michael F replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:11am)

The real difference they make will become apparent to your children and grand children and I doubt they will be thanking any of you for it.

Politicians and columnists out for power, fame and glory against hard working scientists and governments trying to protect the future of the planet for future generations.

Groundhog Day replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:16am)

AS, 
You are showing symptoms of ‘Flannery Syndrome’.

In your zeal to highlight ‘how serious the situation is’, you only reinforce that the Earth is dynamic and the Climate Changes naturally over time. All Earth’s plants and animals just seem to evolve and or adapt. You seem to highlight, that now (with slight warming from last Ice Age), is a very good time in our climatic cycle.

Your last paragraph is unscientific drivel. You’ve been duped.

Andrew Bolt is one one of the few journalists who actually investigated the claims of the scaremongers and found them wanting. He is highlighting the deficiencies of the science, economics, politics and the hypocracy of this scam. People have noticed. For myself, it wasn’t Andrew Bolt who warmed me of the scam, I conducted my own due diligence on the ‘Science’ for last 14 years. Everything that was promoted seemed go against my Earth Science background and practice, and this was only confirmed when these ‘studies’ were investigated. I have written to local, state and federal politicians and also have spoken to them about this issue and my concerns. I know they have taken this on-board. I know there are many people like myself who have gone to the trouble of writing to politicians about the obvious travesty of science and fraud perpetrated upon the Australian people and the taxpayers in the democratic western countries in general. 
Finally, the MSM should be ashamed of themselves for being complicit in this global fraud and scam! Perhaps Paul Kelly’s article today in The Australlian is the first sign of contrition.

MattR replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:19am)

Aww poor AS.

Especially love the last line. Hahaha.

Ken Goodall replied to Art Vanderlay
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:23am)

Hey “AS” - rest easy!
I’ve just solved your rising seas problem and it should be just as effective as the Carbon Tax will be on atmospheric CO2 levels.

Reasonable Dave replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:24am)

Hey A S “the last time this happened - over 2 million years ago” CANNOT have been caused by MAN made Global Warming, can it?  Natural climate variations ringing any bells mate?  How can any sane person be sure this uptick in temperatures has as much to do with nature as it has with man?

Talk about shooting your own argument down in flames!

neil replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:26am)

Bye, bye AS - you have been duped by your fraudulent greens/alp scamsters. Why not try feeding the worlds hungry or world peace - at least these are tangible! 

kadon replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:38am)

Ditto!

Steve of QBN replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:44am)

@ AS,

The sea will NOT rise 25 meters!  And most importantly, it will NOT rise 25 meters overnight!  The global temperature was warmer 1500 years ago than it is now.

But I’m glad you mentioned the ice ages.  It’s far easier to live in a warm (and warming) climate that it is to live in a cooling and cold one. 

Cold equals famine, starvation, war, pestilence, diseases, high death rates in the elderly and the very young. 

Warm equals longer growing weather, higher crop yields, less competing for food, better general health helps to stave off disease, a drop in the baby mortality rate (Go on.  Quote Africa and the number of kids who die from maleria.  I dare you.).

We have zero control over which way the globe climate goes.  Are we pumping up heat in the atmosphere?  Will this lead to a new Venus?  Or are we postponing a new mini ice age? 

And AS, in closing, please tell me what the “normal” ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere should be.  Tell me what the “normal” average temperature should be?  Tell me what the “normal” amount of artic ice should be in summer.  No?  C’mon, I know you can.

AS Always ... Condemned From Her Own Mouth replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (12:10pm)

Well it has arrived ....... the definitive statement from AS which confirms she is entirely bereft of adult sensibility. Normal rational people MUST give due weight to a considered scientific view .... such as the current one that human being are having some effect on climate. That majority view may of course be wrong ..... but wild consipracy theories aside ..... most people will listen closely to the mainstream scientific view.

However here we have AS ..... like her little friends Polyaulax, Janey Has Moved ...... sarcastically attributing erosion in public support for the ...... “we MUST DO SOMETHING handwringers” .....  to wait for it ..... Andrew Bolt!!!  That contention ..... right there ......... is the absolute last word on the childish stupidity of AS, parrot, movement and their ilk.  Bolt is an opinion journalist and all he (and a growing number of others) has done is to give some air time to other voices and other information.

There are many ways to tell a lie (bare faced, distortion, omission etc) ... you campaigning LIARS seem to think you OWN this issue, and through your fascination with it you have become hand maindens to the great righteous cause (what was it ...... the greatest moral challenge of our generation? ....)

If you wonder why public support for “action” on AGW has foundered ...... well just look in the mirror!!! It is the single sided, mindless, blinkered, badgering of people such as yourselves that turns people RIGHT OFF ... and gets them asking MORE QUESTIONS ..... at that point your troubles have just begun!

batteries replied to
Wed 20 Apr 11 (12:25pm)

What an awful pile of junk this article is, only beaten out for rubbish by the comments of the gullible and, frankly, stupid that come underneath. Nothing has changed. Bolt doesn’t know anything new, and rarely makes his mind up based on facts. it’d take all year and thousands of pages to fully document all the lies and distortions this man has produced in trying to back his prejudices.

Attempting to tear down Flannery doesn’t show anything positive or negative about global warming, or much of anything - it’s just the usual conservative hit job. Perhaps if you blithering idiots commenting here spent some time reading something other than this hateful man, you’d have half a clue about what you are talking about. Ill-informed, selfish, nationalistic, stupid tripe. Read a book, or a scientific journal - you are embarrassing.

Purrum replied to
Wed 20 Apr 11 (12:30pm)

AS

It is impossible for sea level to rise 25 metres.  It never has and never will.  What actually happen was the land mass your getting 25 metre rise from was 25 metre lower than it is today.
Sea level don’t fluctuate much at all , only within margins of errors or measuring machines, any rise or fall of sea level would cause the Earth’s circumference to enlarge or strink.  It can’t happen after 4 billion years the circumference would be stable and constant.
The landmass on the other hand has been known to rise and fall on tectonic plates.  Didn’t Japan move 8 feet closer to America because of the earthquake.
In short water level are solely influenced by the bobbing up and down of continents on their tectonic plates.

Brian S replied to
Wed 20 Apr 11 (12:31pm)

Whereas this column, the thoughts or actions of Flannery (and I am on the record explaining in boring detail why I would have preferred he not have been given the job) politicians, public opinion, journalists and commentators, the media, public opinion polls, individual opinion (including mine), and the childish name calling responses are irrelevant to the results of scientists who diligently work to understand and explain how he world works.

They are only relevant to the politics and what action is or is not taken.

derFRED replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (12:40pm)

“ limits for human adaptation are likely to be exceeded ”… how about an Englishman retiring - or even holidaying in Spain or The Bahamas? They manage to adapt, idiot.

James P. replied
Wed 20 Apr 11 (12:41pm)

Michael F
Wed 20 Apr 11 (11:11am)

The real difference they make will become apparent to your children and grand children and I doubt they will be thanking any of you for it.

Politicians and columnists out for power, fame and glory against hard working scientists and governments trying to protect the future of the planet for future generations. 

I will hope my great grand kids will look back on this time, and thank us for blocking a useless tax that will do nothing except send the country to the wall. If you are serious, then lobby for an incentive scheme, not a punishment tax.

How do you define the difference between Politicians and Government? Isn’t this the Government trying to bring in the tax so they can parade it in front of the world, and big note themselves? What power could a columnist hope to gain?